[Assam] End this disease called ULFA

Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com
Tue May 15 10:11:42 PDT 2007


Just my 2 cents here.

I (and others) have frequent have online battles with C'da and in this net
we have always enjoyed these tussles. And we have done this for many. many
years.
 Both Mukul da and C'da are great, upright people in their own rights. They
do bring in a lot of spirit, and often view points (that we may overlook,
and not always agree) into these lively discussions.

Yes, they do have views that often don't jell with many people - but then
you really can't have an argument with people who agree with you, can you?
:)

--Ram


On 5/15/07, vox populi <axomiya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jyotirmoy,
>
> You are hitting Chandanbabu real hard; where it hurts.
>
>
> CM and MM behaves like paid agents of the
> Bangladeshis. In whole expanse of lungiwalas, they see
> no design. It's like closing the eyes to ward off a
> tiger, thinking, the tiger will not see if they close
> their eyes.
>
> Moreover, I found out, none of both Mr. MM and CM's
> future generations are going to stay in the
> independent Oxom, they are inciting our 'burbok' boys
> to fight for.
>
> -VP
>
> --- Jyotirmoy Sharma <jsharma at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> > I believe that Ram has explained the points very
> > aptly.  Just adding
> > a few comments.
> >
> > > >*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration  of
> > profound ignorance
> > > of modern history?
> > > >Would you like to explain?
> >
> > I do not hear the Nagas, Manipuris blowing up their
> > own population in
> > the name of freedom struggle. They may have had
> > conflicts within
> > their groups and may have fought and killed rival
> > group members but
> > never have they targeted the general population.
> > Would you still believe in their cause and their
> > means had you lost a
> > family member in one of their indiscriminate blasts?
> >
> >
> > > > I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA
> > leaders, didn't
> > > you? Assuming that  was what  it was, let me ask
> > you this: If it
> > > were you, Ram >or JS, in the position of those
> > ULFA leaders, what
> > > would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested or get
> > erased in some
> > > encounter, real or fake? Is >this some kind of a
> > question to make
> > > the ULFA leaders look  like 'cowards'? If it is,
> > do you think it is
> > > working?
> > Even in India's fight for independence we have had
> > true
> > revolutionaries who  may have gone out of the
> > country to seek  help
> > to fight the enemy( British ) but they have come
> > back to the country
> > to fight for the cause they believed in. In ULFA's
> > case the leaders
> > have simply vanished from the battle zone and
> > surrendered themselves
> > to become pawns of Bangladeshi agents.
> >
> > > >- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members,
> > what about all the
> > > >people they have killed. Are they going to give
> > the reasons ?
> > >
> > > *** Another abjectly dumb question again. These
> > are people fighting
> > > and dying for a cause.
> > Mr Mahanta, try telling that to someone who has lost
> > a loved one by
> > ULFA's guns or their blasts.
> > It is not hard to realize that there is no "cause"
> > they are fighting
> > for. The ULFA leaders are prominent Bangladeshi
> > citizens now and
> > living up their life with extortion money while
> > their lower rungs are
> > dodging bullets, army and the people in general.
> >
> > Mr Mahanta, you would do well to realize the ground
> > facts. The Bodos,
> > Karbis, Dimasas, Bengalis( from the Barak valley) do
> > not support the
> > ULFA nor have they given them the onus to act/speak
> > on their behalf.
> > A few Assamese may still feel for the terrorists but
> > they are a dying
> > breed. I would have thought there is more support
> > for the outfit
> > among the Assamese citizens in the US, the lack of
> > response to my
> > questions seem to suggest otherwise.
> >
> > J.Sharma
> >
> >
> > On 15/05/2007, at 9:40 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >
> > > C'da
> > >
> > > >*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration  of
> > profound ignorance
> > > of modern history?
> > > >Would you like to explain?
> > >
> > > Let me try!
> > >
> > > First of, the ulfa cannot really be considered
> > "revolionaries". A
> > > revolution (Like the French etc) are a mass-scale
> > uprising of some
> > > sort against an establishment. The ulfa (as some
> > would like to
> > > elevate) is nowhere close to that lable
> > >
> > > So, in that context, modern revolutions have
> > always been about
> > > "protecting the masses" against tyrants. In the
> > Assam context, can
> > > you give some stark examples where such a thing
> > has happened? And
> > > yes, C'da why is these "home-grown" revoltionaries
> > hell bent on
> > > killing and looting from Assamese people (and
> > don't forget Dhemaji)
> > > - now there was a great example of your
> > revolutionaries giving up
> > > blood & treasure (of course, it matters little
> > that blood spilled
> > > was not theirs).
> > >
> > > > I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA
> > leaders, didn't
> > > you? Assuming that  was what  it was, let me ask
> > you this: If it
> > > were you, Ram >or JS, in the position of those
> > ULFA leaders, what
> > > would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested or get
> > erased in some
> > > encounter, real or fake? Is >this some kind of a
> > question to make
> > > the ULFA leaders look  like 'cowards'? If it is,
> > do you think it is
> > > working?
> > >
> > > If the 'leaders' were holed up in B'desh and
> > making war plans/
> > > strategic plans against the big, bad ogre called
> > India, it may have
> > > carried some semblence of resptability - but to
> > hole up elsewhere,
> > > goad/egg other to the battles, and all the while
> > amass huge
> > > personal wealth, (as reported by the US think tank
> > - Stratfor.
> > > com), getting help from BD intel and ISI (who will
> > just as easily
> > > slit an Assamese throat as they would an "Indian")
> > is beyond me.
> > >
> > > So, now this "holing up" in Bangladesh is really a
> > strategic plan -
> > > could have knocked me out with a feather! How
> > could I have missed that
> > >
> > > >First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign
> > land, why is it
> > > that India and Indians claim
> > >  >ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a
> > contradiction?
> > >
> > > I am just trying here - don't know exactly what JS
> > meant.
> > >
> > > Why is this a contradiction - the leaders stay in
> > BD - making the
> > > big war plans, while the "low-level" cadres do the
> > dirty job in Assam.
> > >
> > > >*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These
> > are people
> > > fighting and dying for a cause.
> > > >You may not agree with their cause.
> > >
> > > We have all been hearing about this big cause for
> > a long time. Then
> > > why is that the whole of Assam have  NOT joined
> > > and or signed on the dotted line? Do you know why?
> > >
> > > >That is how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That
> > is WHY it is a
> > > violent CONFLICT.
> > >
> > > Whew! Now that somehow makes us all feel better.
> > Of course, all the
> > > people of Assam gave the green signal for ULFA to
> > go violent and
> > > now it (the ulfa) acts as the sole torch bearer
> > for God & country.
> > >
> > > One question, if these 'revs' are NOT even able to
> > fight from their
> > > home base (that they are forced to go to another
> > country to do so),
> > > what odds do you, as a pragmatist, give them for
> > any kind of win?
> > >
> > > Even the country these people take refuge in (BD)
> > is not able to
> > > take on the bad boy on the block (India)  what are
> > the chances for
> > > the "revs". Do you think perhaps, that there is no
> > fun for them to
> > > end this 'insurgency Kamadhenu'. Whatever will
> > they do if this all
> >
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